14 October 2008
25 Sep
and the Liberals become an endangered species? First, let me apologize for not posting recently, I have been out of town for the last few days. But, good on you readers for keeping the discussion going in the comments section. I’m just going to post a few random thoughts (nothing substantive, but hey that’s nothing new from me) as campaigns and issues are now coming into focus.
West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast – Sea to Sky:
Everybody but John Weston seems to be fading quietly into the night. By no means is he setting the world ablaze with his campaign, but he seems to be quietly running a smooth campaign with a solid ground presence in both West Van and North Van, bad news for the Libs. The Liberals have been virtually invisible, particularly in West and North Van where they have to win big to be competitive in the riding. That’s not to say that Ian Sutherland isn’t a competent candidate, he is. Nor is it to say that he can’t make in roads in Squamish, he can. It’s just that he needs to maintain the party’s traditional areas of strength and that doesn’t seem to be too likely. The NDP have recovered from the Dana Larsen experiment with a solid (on paper) local Sunshine Coast candidate that may be able to stop any vote bleed that may have been perceived prior to the election. With the NDP seemingly on an upswing in the province maybe they’ll even be able to pick up a few more votes than last time. The Greens, well after an interesting first few days, they have managed to fall into their regular role. I’m convinced Wilson will pull a good number for the party (up to 20% if the Greens can regain some momentum in the debates). On the whole, minus a massive shift, you can count this a Tory pickup.
North Vancouver:
I’m of the mind that you just can’t count out Liberal incumbent Don Bell. It’s been said before and is worth repeating, people vote as much for Don Bell as they vote for the Liberal brand. Consequently, I would expect a competitive Liberal result. It’ll be interesting to see what impact, if any, the arts funding debate has in this riding, as the local movie industry has played a major role in Bell’s two victories. Nonetheless, I would expect that this too ought to be considered a Conservative pickup on voting day – just don’t be too surprised if it’s called late. On a side note, the local NDP have been putting up “Jack Layton and the NDP team” signs, in place of those for the local candidate (admittedly the candidate does have a few of his own). Given that the candidate, Michael Charrois, is relatively unknown outside of the Arts community, this may be beneficial in growing party support – or it may marginalize the candidate. Either way, Charrois will ensure that Arts funding continues to be discussed (I’m not generalizing here at all, really…).
Van Centre:
This is a great fight. I suspect that Adrianne Carr will probably lose momentum, as her party has, the closer we get to election day. To be clear, I’m not critical of her or her campaign. In fact, I think that she’s an excellent surrogate for Elizabeth May in the Lower mainland. It’s just that the reality of running against three star quality candidates is bound to reinforce traditional voting patterns in the riding. Though some commentators think that the riding is ripe for a Conservative pickup, I think that it’s much more likely to swing NDP, if it swings at all – after all, Hedy Fry seems to be pretty good at winning elections. The NDP has a lot less ground to make up to catch then the Conservatives do and Kennedy Stewart, the last academic to run for the NDP in this riding came close to winning in 2004. Undoubtedly, this is my favourite race in BC. Do the debates about the safe-injection site, arts funding and being part of the government that implemented the provincial Carbon Tax hurt the Conservative candidate?
Van South:
If the Liberals are holding a seat in BC, it’s this one. Full stop.
Saanich – Gulf Islands:
Gary Lunn is in trouble. For two elections in a row, this has been a 3.5 party race. With no NDP candidate, this riding looks to be completely up in the air. Simply put, the party that gets the NDP vote wins. Advantage Greens? After all, the NDP (and Liberal candidate) had strong Green connections and there was talk (I don’t know how serious) of running as a united front against the Conservatives. This scenario, all of a sudden, becomes a lot more realistic. This is also the third election in a row for the Green Candidate, Andrew Lewis. Lunn, of course, can still win as NDP supporters outside of the Lower Mainland are just as likely to vote Conservative as any other party. There’s also a reasonable opportunity for this to be a Liberal pickup. What a wacky province we live in
and finally – Edmonton – Strathcona:
After spending the last three days in the riding, it’s still kind of weird to see as much support and hear as much talk about a federal NDP candidate in Alberta…

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5 Responses for "So I leave BC for a few days…"
So Matt–
You don’t think VanKing is safe for the Liberals?
Ross,
I have to admit, Kingsway isn’t an area I’m intimately familiar with. My interpretation of the situation in the riding suggests that the Liberals hold (or retake, depending on your POV) Kingsway. I think, though, that if the Liberals are wiped out in BC – a belief that several national media outlets, I believe wrongly, have extrapolated from national polling – Van South, with Ujjal Dosanjh as the incumbent, is the safer seat.
Both ridings have a history of electing candidates from parties that aren’t the Libs, Kingsway NDP and South PC. Conservative parties (small c) haven’t had much of a sniff since the collapse of the PCs. The NDP at least has put up a fight in Kingsway and I think are more likely to carry the riding than the Conservatives are in South. Of course, I’m just throwing out my best guess given the information available right now, things can still change in the next 2 weeks. I take it that you think that Kingsway’s the Liberal’s best bet?
Please, feel free to make a case to change my mind, I’d be happy to hear it.
Hmm, I think Kingsway’s will be close, but it’s not nearly as NDP friendly as it was back in the 80s.
If I had to rank the Liberal held seats in terms of vulnerability I’d ran them from safest to least safe. Safe is over 20 percentage points ahead of the nearest rival, likely is 10 to 20 points, leaning is 5 to 10 and toss up is under five to an opposition advantage of five points.
Safe Liberal: Zip.
Likely Liberal:
Vancouver-South – I agree with previous assessments.
Lean Liberal:
Vancouver-Centre – Hedy Fry seems to always beat the odds. This is probably her toughest race, so she may well go down, but there is a lot of residual Liberal and residual pro-Hedy sentiment here. I know, it’s weird if you live outside of Vancouver, hell if you live outside of downtown, but it’s true.
Vancouver-Quadra – I realize, Meredith came very close in the by-election and I realize Stephen Owen was somewhat popular. But I just think that 12,000 K margin from the last general is a little too much. Meredith seems to be running a competent campaign, but I don’t think Murray will be caught by surprise again.
Toss-Up
Vancouver-Kingsway – I’d give the Liberals the edge here, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the NDP win, especially if left-of-centre voters remember what happened last time they voted for a Liberal MP. Davies has been running for a while, but so has Yuan, it’s really tough to say which way this riding is leaning.
Esquimalt-Juan De Fuca – This isn’t a natural Liberal seat, it’s a natural Keith Martin seat. But he’s in trouble this time, then again he has been since he crossed the floor and he’s still managed to get re-elected. So the question is, are people voting for him or the party? I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
North Vancouver – Don Bell was Mayor of the District for years, but this riding has historically been conservative. Like Martin, we’ll find out if his brand is independent of the Liberal brand.
Richmond – Raymond Chan has lost to conservative challengers before. But Alice Wong is a weak candidate. So while I think a significant minority of the Chinese community, which for outsiders makes up a majority of this riding, will vote for a non-Liberal she may not be it. But if the Liberals really do loose ten points province wide, I doubt he’ll survive.
Newton-North Delta – There have been a lot of demographic changes over the years here, which have improved Liberal fortunes. Sukh Dhaliwal isn’t entrenched, and could loose to either the NDP or Conservatives. In fact, I’d say he’s the most vulnerable Liberal incumbent.
Leans Conservative
West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast-Sea To Sky Country – It may take a long time to say, or type, but come election night I think the Conservatives will win by a reasonable enough margin. Had Wilson stayed with the Liberals, they may have had a shot, but as it is now there will be too many potential left-of-centre Liberals defecting to the Greens and NDP and too many blue Liberals defecting to the Conservatives.
Matt–
I think David’s really got a good read on what’s happening in Kingsway…..when the price of (really) average houses goes from 200 to 700K in the space of a couple of full cycles you know that the dipper vote is going to start to fade…..
(which it did for Ian Waddell last time out – interestingly, Mr. Waddell couldn’t even wrangle himself a civic schoolboard nomination from the local center/left coalition party last weekend).
Still David’s point about folks like me, folks that lean Dipper but who voted for Mr. Emerson to make sure he won last time out, is not a trivial one, I think.
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Oh, and for David…..I think Quadra all comes down to how many of those crazy college kids vote for Danny Grice, who really is a pretty darned good Greeniac (in my opinion).
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