14 October 2008
15 Sep
So, an Angus Reid poll on Saturday had the Greens at 26% in BC, which, I would suspect, makes Blair Wilson competitive in West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast – I’m not saying it’s an outlier, but… I would never make any predictions based on one poll (a Harris-Decima pole puts them at 8% today), but if the number holds up I may have to change my tune a bit. Nothing is ever impossible in contrarian British Columbia. Needless to say, I’ll get back to it in the coming days. I was going to write about the North Shore candidates. I still will, but it requires research and therefore time, which I don’t have, so in the meantime I’m going to talk about election signs on the North Shore.
Election signs are funny things, in so far as most everyone considers them, at best, an eyesore. Yet, come an election, everyone goes out driving to see who has more up, some people I know base their votes on the number of signs, colour of signs and aesthetic appeal of signs. Signs can tell us something about an election. Throughout a campaign one can tell the organization level of the candidates on their ability to get signs up and maintain them. Signs can even indicate support in a riding, if you’re careful to only acknowledge those signs on private property. Publicly displayed signs offer little more insight than a spitting contest. That said, after a week of the campaign what can we say about signs on the North Shore.
NDP – There are none (that’s not exactly true, I saw one Jack Layton bag sign hiding under a Conservative 4×4 – though location counts, across from the Wheat Pool, well done). Even long-time NDP holdouts in my neighbourhood are lacking their signs. Realistically, this isn’t a big surprise. The NDP has strength in West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast, but not much at the south end (ie West Vancouver). They probably believe that it serves them better to concentrate their money around Squamish and the Northern reaches of the riding where NDP votes are concentrated and potentially under pressure. In North Vancouver, the NDP is little more than a rump focused around lower Lonsdale. Don’t get me wrong, provincially this is a solid block that makes the BC Liberals work for the riding. Federally, they’re the equivalent of a lone voice in the wilderness (yay hate mail).
Liberals – SLOW START and while we are still just a week into the campaign, one wonders why there aren’t Liberal signs everywhere. Both of these seats were won narrowly in 2006. I’ll give North Vancouver a mulligan due to Don Bell’s health problems. But there wasn’t a single sign in North Van until Bell had left hospital. That said, they seem to be making up for lost time quickly and the number of signs on private property shows that Bell still has solid grass roots support in the riding (moreover, the larger signs look GOOD – bag signs, blah). Then there’s West Vancouver –still nothing (as of this writing). This should worry local Liberals. Their strength is the West Vancouver portion of the riding and their candidate is from Squamish. They seriously need to up their candidate’s recognition in their traditionally strong region. I’ve noticed that some Liberal households on the border with North Vancouver are displaying Don Bell signs while others seem to have stuck with Blair Wilson. Again, give them some benefit of the doubt, the candidate was chosen very late in the game.
Greens – They were fast off the mark, particularly in North Vancouver, where Jim Stephenson ran last time and is the candidate once again. They actually beat the Conservatives to the punch by a couple of hours getting the prime spots on public property. Unfortunately, despite having signs on display for a week before the Liberals, their presence on private property is virtually non-existent. Stephenson is a strong candidate, though. Expect his profile to increase over the next few weeks as people become reacquainted with him. As for Blair, I was a bit rough on him last time because of his water soluble markers. Well, kudos for getting those signs up in the first few days. Moreover, the new signs which the campaign started putting on display yesterday are heads and shoulders above any Green signs I’ve seen before (note* his green “Vote Blair†signs, were refreshingly simple). As described above, it appears as though he has been able to bring some former Liberal supporters with him as he does seem to have maintained at least some private property presence. I can’t wait to see some local numbers to see just how this fight is breaking down in the riding.
Conservatives – Fast start and have maintained their signs. They look professional, as you would expect, and have a presence in every high-visibility public property area around the riding. Looking purely at public property, one might expect that Conservatives have a strangle-hold. But, while their private property support is okay, visibly, it has stagnated and not as strong as 2006. However, this may just be a function of everyone else catching up – maybe it was a good thing for the other parties to be slow off the mark, or maybe a second week sign blitz is in the offing.
It’s still only week two and signs are a dubious way to measure support at the best of times. Nonetheless, I know junkies like to know what’s going on “on the groundâ€. I may update this again later in the campaign to see if there’s a palpable feeling of change. But really, I think many people are just waking up to the fact that an actual election is happening. By the end of this week, across the country, there should be a better idea of where we’re headed. I suspect that, particularly in West Vancouver, an anybody but Weston vote will emerge – a handle no one holds at the moment – maybe, just maybe, should the Liberal campaign begin to fail, the default becomes Wilson (I never thought I’d end up writing so much about this guy). Though, let me stress this is hypothetical. The Liberal candidate Ian Sutherland remains the most likely ABC candidate.

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11 Responses for "On North Shore Election Signs…"
“Yet, come an election, everyone goes out driving to see who has more up, some people I know base their votes on the number of signs, colour of signs and aesthetic appeal of signs.”
Really? And they admit it to you. We really do deserve the governments we elect
Well, it could also be a comment on the people I associate with.
On the other hand, I wouldn’t ever underestimate the ability of people to spite (right or wrong) politicians – to quote unnamed thousands of Canadians “They’re all the same”. I went to school for a long time to learn that.
I have an update from the Sunshine Coast for you.
The Weston signs were up early (on public property). but a lot of Greens signs have been going up the last couple of days (the 4×4 ones) So far all but one I have seen are on private property.
Cheers
Dave,
Thanks for that update. Please feel free to update what you see going on in the Sunshine Coast area whenever you see a post here. That’s good information which those of us at the south end of the riding don’t often get to hear about.
Two questions. Do you see any Liberal or NDP presence at all? Compared to 2006 (as best you can remember) does the Green and Conservative support seem comparable or do one of them look stronger this time around?
Thanks again!
sunshine coast.no ndp signs, no liberal signs,only green & tory signs.two to one tory over green
North Vancouver update and commentary (Sept. 17):
Don Bell’s Liberal campaign has started to get its signs up in large numbers, I’ve seen them in all the “usual” places I’ve passed. (As was said, you can’t fault him for the heart-attacked related delay.)
Conservative Andrew Sexton put his up first. Not too sure what his connections to North Van are personally, but he’s a typical sort of financier guy I think.
I’ve seen some Green signs as well from Jim Stephenson as well.
Still watching & waiting to see any sign (or signs) of an chosen NDP candidate. So far no word they have even nominated someone.
My guess based on my being a N. Van citizen for my whole life, is that’s it’s usually a red-vs-blue race in N. Van. The Greens and NDP will battle for third I think (assuming the NDP even fields a candidate).
Possible riding-specific issues:
- The Conservative arts cuts / Bill C-10. Seems like a small thing, but last time around, it was the local movie industry issue that helped Bell out against Ted White. Could hurt the tories again.
- Iranian vote: The North Shore has lots of Iranian-Canadians. It would be interesting to see how their vote preferences go, considering Harper’s foreign policy closeness to the positions of Bush and clear support of Israel. Not a direct issue for the Iranians here, but if someone were to ask whather the Conservatives would be supportive of an attack on Iran over it’s nuclear program, it could be a (pardon the pun) explosive local issue.
- Transportation: always a big issue on the North Shore; plus the Conservatives’ record on CN Rail’s safety problems could be an issue.
Anyways I’ll try to make more N. Van comments / observations if I am able.
*A West Van-Sunshine Coast note: surprised that the NDP just lost its candidate. The Liberal candidate is the Squamish mayor, and I wonder how many lost NDP blue-collar votes he might be able to scoop up from areas besides Whistler and West Van if the NDP is absent. The Greens will probably benefit too. COnservatives? Well I don’t know if people could make the jump from NDP to Conservative but in rural areas, I guess it is possible. Someone should watch to see what the wood industry unions have to say about this.
Update: the NDP have chosen a candidate now, an actor by the name of Charrois (I think).
The Wilson/Green signs in West Van look very horrible, spray painted old signs. If we get a few days of bad weather, they’ll be toast. Hard to even read them now.
Charrois/ND signs are of Jack Layton, not the candidate in North Van.
Saxton/Conservative has had a campaign office up for months and a serious push on the phones and at the doorsteps.
Bell/Liberal is getting things ramped up but even a minor heart attack at his advanced age has to have voters wondering if he can handle this grueling job as he closes in on his 70th birthday.
Yeah, the Greens in West Van and NDP in N. Van are clearly affected by their late start/changes.
Incidentally, Dion was here in North Van today, and as I thought, he did blast the Tories for Bill C-10 and their arts cuts. (Seems to be the theme of the day for all candidates.)
Bell is out. Saxton is in. This riding was never really a Liberal riding. It tossed out Ted White when he failed to campaign and broke his own promise about term limits. Bell won last time because of the national Liberal “hidden agenda” scare campaign coupled with the NDP and the Liberals cutting a deal to run alternately weak candidates in North Vancouver and North Island, eliminating a lot of vote splitting. This time, voters are avoiding Liberals and the Green candidate will pick up what otherwise might have shifted to the NDP if they were really in the race. The end result — Saxton by 5 to 10 thousand votes.
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